There is a chance that the Domestic Relations Order (DRO) could be sent to the “New York State and Local Retirement System” if the member is a member of any of the above systems.
In the event that a member has two memberships and is eligible for pension benefits from both, but the DRO only applies to one membership, it must clearly state which system the member is eligible for.
A new DRO will be needed if a member transfers from one of NYSLRS’s retirement systems to the other after a DRO was written against one of those systems.
In some cases, you can have two government pensions. However, there are important rules and things to think about. I’ll explain everything you need to know about having more than one federal pension, combining state and federal retirement benefits, or how having more than one pension affects your Social Security.
The Basics of Multiple Government Pensions
Many folks ask me if it’s possible to collect two government pensions and the answer isn’t a simple yes or no. It depends on your specific situation
- Federal employees: You can potentially qualify for multiple federal pension benefits through different service periods
- State and local government workers: You may be eligible for multiple pension plans if you’ve worked for different government entities
- Military and civilian service: You can receive both military retired pay and a civil service annuity
According to information from the Federal Times, if you retire from one federal position and return to federal employment, your situation will be handled in specific ways:
- Your new salary will be reduced by the amount of your existing annuity
- If you work less than 5 years in the new position, you’ll receive a supplemental annuity added to your original one
- If you work 5+ years in the new position, your entire pension will be recalculated as if you retired for the first time
Federal Pension Combinations
The dual compensation law doesn’t prohibit several combinations of simultaneous payments:
- A civil service annuitant receiving military retired pay and an annuity
- A survivorship annuity and an annuity based on personal service
- Civilian compensation and an annuity
- Compensation for federal civilian service
If you’re considering this path, you should know that the rules can be complex and benefits are calculated differently depending on which pension systems you’ve participated in.
Multiple Pension Plans Within State Systems
If you’ve worked for state governments. you might have multiple pension formulas based on
- Your membership dates
- Membership category
- Your employer’s contract with the pension system
For example, CalPERS (California Public Employees’ Retirement System) allows for multiple benefit formulas and even has a reciprocity system. To establish reciprocity, you typically need to:
- Log into your pension account
- Submit a request to establish reciprocity
- Wait for verification
The Government Pension Offset (GPO) and Social Security
How having more than one government pension affects your Social Security benefits is one of the most important things you should know. This is where the GPO (Government Pension Offset) comes in.
The GPO was set up in 1977 to make sure that the Social Security system was fair. It affects people who get pensions from jobs that didn’t pay Social Security taxes and people who might be eligible for spousal or widow(er) benefits from Social Security.
How the GPO Works
If you receive a government pension from work not covered by Social Security, your Social Security spousal or widow(er) benefits will be reduced by two-thirds of your monthly non-covered pension amount.
For example:
- If your non-covered pension is $3,000/month
- Two-thirds of that is $2,000
- If your Social Security spousal benefit would have been $1,500
- After the GPO, you’d receive no spousal benefit ($1,500 – $2,000 = -$500, so $0)
Depending on how much money you make from your government pension, this rule can cut your Social Security spousal or widow(er) benefits in half or all.
Real-World Impact of the GPO
According to data from 2020:
- The GPO affected about 11.5% of the 6.25 million spousal or widow(er) beneficiaries
- Beneficiaries affected by the GPO had an average monthly non-covered pension of $2,531
- This was significantly higher than the average Social Security retired worker benefit of $1,544
- Nearly three-quarters of those affected had their entire spousal or widow(er) benefit offset
- These individuals had an average monthly non-covered pension of $3,193
- Those with partially offset benefits had an average non-covered pension of $930
Practical Considerations for Multiple Pensions
If you’re planning for retirement with multiple government pensions, here are some practical things to consider:
Record Keeping
When you have multiple pension pots from various providers, you run a much higher risk of losing track of one or more of them. House moves are notorious for paperwork getting lost, and if you misplace documents, you may not be able to inform all pension providers about address changes.
Retirement Planning
Understanding how your multiple pensions interact is crucial for effective retirement planning:
- Estimate GPO impacts: Use the Social Security Administration’s online calculators to see how the GPO might affect your benefits
- Consider delaying claims: Delaying Social Security claims can increase your monthly benefit amount, potentially offsetting GPO impacts
- Diversify income sources: Don’t rely solely on pensions and Social Security; consider other retirement savings vehicles
Tax Considerations
Multiple pensions can create more complex tax situations. Each pension may have different tax withholding arrangements, and your combined pension income could push you into a higher tax bracket.
Common Questions About Multiple Government Pensions
Can I collect both Social Security and a government pension?
Yes, you can retire with Social Security and a pension simultaneously, but the Social Security Administration might reduce your Social Security benefit if your pension is from a job where you didn’t pay Social Security taxes.
What happens if my government pension is more than my Social Security benefit?
If two-thirds of your government pension exceeds your Social Security benefit, your benefit could be reduced to zero under the GPO rules.
Can I receive multiple pensions from different employers?
If you’ve worked for multiple companies long enough to become vested in several pension plans, you can receive more than one pension payment. Each employer manages the investment side of funding its pension plan(s).
What if I take my government pension as a lump sum?
If you take your government pension annuity in a lump sum, Social Security will still calculate the reduction as if you chose to get monthly benefit payments from your government work.
Planning for Success with Multiple Government Pensions
To maximize your benefits when you have multiple government pensions:
- Keep meticulous records of all pension plans you’ve participated in
- Consult with a financial advisor who specializes in government retirement benefits
- Understand how each pension affects the others and your Social Security benefits
- Plan for tax implications of multiple retirement income streams
- Consider the timing of when you begin drawing different pensions
The Bottom Line
Yes, you can have two government pensions, and many retirees do. But the interactions between different retirement systems and with Social Security can be complex and sometimes lead to unexpected reductions in benefits.
The key to success is understanding exactly how your specific pensions work together and planning accordingly. Don’t assume that all your benefits will stack neatly without any offsets or reductions.
With proper planning and expert guidance, you can maximize your retirement income from multiple government pensions and ensure a secure financial future.
Additional Resources
For more information about government pensions and how they interact:
- Social Security Administration: Government Pension Offset (GPO) explainer
- Federal Times expert retirement advice columns
- Your specific pension plan’s website and customer service
Disclaimer: This article is for informational purposes only and shouldn’t be considered financial advice. Please consult with a qualified financial advisor for personalized guidance on your retirement planning.
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NYSLRS administers two distinct retirement systems:
- New York State and Local Employees’ Retirement System; and
- New York State and Local Police and Fire Retirement System.
There is a chance that the Domestic Relations Order (DRO) could be sent to the “New York State and Local Retirement System” if the member is a member of any of the above systems.
If a member has dual membership and is eligible to receive pension benefits from both systems, but the DRO is applicable to only one membership, then the DRO must specifically identify the appropriate system.
A new DRO will be needed if a member transfers from one of NYSLRS’s retirement systems to the other after a DRO was written against one of those systems.